Discipline will be gently encouraged via playful kicks to the groin.

[dolari]

Some small notes:

1: I know there are a few Ron Paul supporters reading this. I suggest that you see what your fellow supporters are doing to a friend of mine, makkabee, then rethink your affiliation. Or better yet - teach your peers that this kind of behaviour serves his campaign in no real meaningful way, and such energies ar better directed TO his campaign.

2: Here's that Roman cheese-bread recipe:



Nanos - Sponge Bread
300g (10oz) of flour
200ml (7 fluid ounces) of warm water
1 1/2 teaspoon of dried yeast
1 tsr sugar
100g (3 ounces)of cheddar cheese
60ml (2 fluid ounces) of olive oil
1/2 tsp of sea salt
Cooking time - 4.5 hours

And now that I look at the recipe, I TOTALLY realized why my bread is so damned...well...CHEESY. I looked at the wrong recipe and nearly doubled the amount of cheese in it. The recipe one page over has 200g/7oz of cheese instead of 100g/3oz. Wow - I was wondering why ancient Romans didn't die of heart disease.

Anyways

1) Dissolve the sugar in water
2) Dissolve the yeast in the sugar/water mixture.
3) Let the yeast mixture rise for 15 minutes
4) Sift the flour, salt, olive oil and yeast into a bowl and knead into a dough.
5) Cover the dough with clingfilm (who knew the Roman's were THAT technically advanced!) and allow it to rise for two hours.
6) Knead the dough again and seperate it into three equal portions
7) Grate the cheese and seperate it into three equal portions.
8) Oil a 1 pound bread tin with olive oil
9) Take 1 of the mounds of dough, and press it to the bottom of the tin, spreading out to cover the bottom.
10) Take a mound of cheese, and sprinkle it over the dough.
11) Take the second mound of dough, and spread it over the layer of cheese.
12) Take the second mound of cheese and sprinkle it over the dough.
13) Take the third mound of dough and spread it over the layer of cheese.
14) Wrap the whole thing in a plastic bag and let it rise (again) for an hour.
15) Remove from the bag and place in an over set for 200C or 400F for 30 minutes.
16) Remove from the oven, add the third layer of sprinkled cheese to the top of the loaf.
17) Bake an additional 10 minutes.

3: The frozen HDD trick didn't work. It's looking more and more like that drive is toast. While I'm due a replacement, the idea of a of getting a new solid state drive has come up...wonder if they're affordable yet.

4: Dean and I went to Master Pancake Theater the other night to watch a reincarnation of Joel and the Bots (Without puppets) mercillessly riff Back to the Future. I haven't laughed so hard in AGES. Bonus points for having a "life preserver" and three different shades of denim for the "Doc Brown Talk Show" in the middle of the movie. Triple points for me making a Parkinson's Joke, on top of someone elses incest joke, making the cast giggle: "Wow, when do get the genocide jokes?"

The performer they had playing Marty was doing that old Alex P. Keaton "hopping around" (no pun intended) acting style and then saying "Can we finish this sketch? I'm exhausted!" before accidentally breaking apart the stage risers. :)

3:MEMAGE!

ANIME/MANGA NERD

[x] You watch anime.
[x] You read manga.
[x] You buy/collect anime DVDs or manga volumes.
[x] You own some other form of anime/manga merchandise.
[x] You have referred to an anime character as 'hot' before.
[ ] You have cosplayed
[ ] You have done so in public.
[x] You have been to an anime/manga convention
[x] You have created/joined a fanclub for an anime/manga character.
[ ] You have created/joined a hateclub for an anime/manga character.
[x] You have squealed when you found out somebody had the same name as an anime character you knew.
[x] You enjoy drawing anime.
[x] People you know know you as the 'anime' person
[x] You know that it is pronouced 'mawnguh' and not 'manga' like it is spelled. Curse the Great Vowel Shift! *shakefist*

Anime/manga nerd= 11/14

ART NERD

[x] You like art.
[x] You actually consider yourself an artist.
[ ] When using art supplies, the brand of them matters to you.
[ ] You have asked for art supplies as a Christmas/birthday gift before.
[x] You give people your drawings as gifts
[x] People actually ask for your drawings
[x] You are/were known as 'the art person' at your school
[ ] Instead of just 'brown' or ' pink', you'd be specific; it's 'sienna brown' or 'blush pink'.
[ ] You have taken an art class outside of school.
[x] You have considered a career as an artist.
[x] Your school papers are always covered in doodles.
[ ] You have a favourite artist.
[x] Your drawings have been framed
[x] You carry a sketchbook with you everywhere you go.

Art nerd= 9/14

MUSICAL NERD

[x] You play a musical instrument
[ ] You play more than one instrument.
[ ] You actually really enjoy playing your instrument.
[ ] You've given your instrument a name.
[ ] You've participated in an extracurricular activity for your instrument.
[ ] You are known by what you play.
[x] You listen to classical music.
[x] You are wondering whether that refers to the classical music genre or the classical music time period.
[x] You have a favourite composer.
[ ] All of your friends are from your band/orchestra class.
[ ] You write music.
[ ] You've had discussions with your friends about music; your favourite composers/instruments/musical time periods/key/etc...
[ ] You have considered a professional career with your instrument.
[ ] You are never nervous playing for other people.

Musical nerd= 4/14

VIDEO GAME NERD

[x] You play video games.
[x] You own more than 4 different video game systems.
[ ] You've had debates over which system is the greatest.
[x] You play video games every day.
[x] You have played a video game for over 10 hours.
[x] You have songs from your favourite video games on your MP3.
[x] You love to talk about video games.
[x] You memorize the dates for when a new game is being released.
[x] People know you as the 'gamer' person.
[x] You spend more time on video games than you do hanging out with friends.
[x] Your gaming system is in your room
[ ] You have preferences when it comes to what company your game came from.
[ ] You've had debates over which company is the best.
[x] You keep playing a game until you beat it.
[ ] It makes you angry when you found out somebody looked up cheat codes on the internet to beat their game.

Video game nerd= 11/15

COMPUTER NERD

[x] You use the computer every day.
[x] You have an account/username on some sort of social website.
[ ] You go into random internet chatrooms.
[x] You spend at least 2 hours a day on the computer.
[x] You use computer faces; : D XD XP D: ^_^ >.> and etc. and hand gestures!
[x] It is hard to go a day without using the computer.
[ ] You spend time in online forums.
[x] In the forum/chatroom you use, you are known there by everyone else.
[x] You have friends you have only met online.
[x] You have/have had a girlfriend/boyfriend you have only met online.
[x] You have actually met an online friend in person.
[x] U cn ezly rd 'txttlk.'
[x] You have said 'lol' or 'omg' in speech that is not online.
[x] You can type really, really fast.

Total: 11/14

Comments

[drkbish.livejournal.com]

I'll need to do that meme later on when I have a few minutes...

As far as what befell makkabee, I'm sorry, Jenn, but he brought it upon himself. In fact, considering he spends class time mocking Paul (in his own words) and makes disparaging comments about his supporters (the word "Paultards" comes to mind, for one), I'd also be upset if my child was subjected to it. This is whether the mocked candidate is Paul, McCain, Clinton, Obama, or Huckabee.

The Paul supporters are not making themselves look good, to be sure... but makkabee cannot claim the moral high ground in any way, shape, or form, as his own admitted actions are more or less on the same level.

[makkabee.livejournal.com]

Your post implies that I referred to Ron Paul's supporters as Paultards in school. This is not the case. In school I said that Paul's poll numbers stayed flat, and enjoyed that the kids got a laugh out of it.

Online the rules are different, and I don't have to filter and soften my political views. In my journal I can rant and be an extremist, letting off steam I can't on my job. Paultards (I'm online now so I can call them that) don't see that distinction, and if they are to be taken seriously are trying to destroy my career and possibly worse. Do you call for the firing of every teacher who puts a bible quote on her desk or a political cartoon on her door for pushing her political, social, or religious agenda on the children?

This is a case of vicious Paul supporters, if we believe they mean what they say, trying to destroy my life because I'm glad a bunch of 6th graders thought "Ron Paul stayed flat" was funny.

[drkbish.livejournal.com]

No, you actually said that you took the opportunity to make fun of Paul when teaching your students. Your exact words were, "That was actually the best part for me -- getting to make fun of Ron Paul and getting all the students to join in." That crosses a line for me, as like a friend once said to me, "All teachers should see it as their sworn duty to remain impartial at all costs, if only to allow their students to make up their own minds."

If a Bible quote is on the desk or a political cartoon is on the door, I don't have an objection. If they're sitting there stating that the Earth is only 6000 years old or that Republicans are warmongering idiots (or substitute "Democrats are socialist morons" as appropriate), then I WOULD have a problem with it. If I was a parent (which I'm not, but I'm going by how my parents raised me), I'd prefer teachers who can teach without indoctrinating. Your own admitted bashing of Paul, subtle as it is, does not strike me as such.

In my own case, this is me saying that I would not want you as my child's teacher because you yourself admit you sometimes use your own classroom as your pulpit.

Re: All this over a cheese bread recipe.

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

Maybe I'm viewing this wrong but when I read: "That was actually the best part for me -- getting to make fun of Ron Paul and getting all the students to join in." I read that more as a guilty pleasure kind of thing.

He was teaching math via politics. He told the student "Ron Paul stayed flat" which the students found funny. He didn't encourage it, if anything the students encouraged HIM.

Yes, he got to make fun of Ron Paul - but didn't instigate it, or promote it after the students had chimed in. Maybe he was wrong to bring politics into math at ALL (There're a few things I don't like talking to other people about, religion and politics, cause nothing riled people up like both), but I don't see how being amused by how the STUDENTS were reacting (and he happened to agree with), is grounds for some of the abuse he's taken.

But like I said - I don't like talking politics to people, I don't like talking religion. Nothing gets people in a fist full of rage than either. But this stinks of "I don't like the way you think - I'm going to get you fired." I've been on the recieving end of that being trans WAY too many times.

Re: All this over a cheese bread recipe.

[drkbish.livejournal.com]

But like I said - I don't like talking politics to people, I don't like talking religion. Nothing gets people in a fist full of rage than either. But this stinks of "I don't like the way you think - I'm going to get you fired." I've been on the recieving end of that being trans WAY too many times.

I agree with the first part 100%, and I also dislike the whole "I don't like the way you think - I'm going to get you fired" attitude some people have. Where the latter becomes a much murkier area is when your way of thinking begins to affect what you do in a professional capacity. For example, if someone who was homophobic was working at a job... as long as he kept his mouth shut on the job I'd keep my mouth shut. But if he starts going "gay" this and "fag" that to customers, I'd be having a few words with his immediate (and maybe not-so-immediate) superiors...

Re: All this over a cheese bread recipe.

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

The difference here, I see, is the difference between saying "Gay this and fag that" to customers, and saying "1 in 10 people happen to be gay" to customers, while thinking to himself "and they're all flaming."

He can think it all he wants. He can post about it in his blog all he wants. I saw a lot of anti-trans stuff from Portal of Evil, and Look At The Idiots Crying kind of people while I was running the Day of Remembrance Wecbomics thing. And whil eI was unhappy, I didn't rail on them. They can think anything they want as long as they look me square in the eye and keep it to themselves when they say "How can I help you today?"

Anyways, I do think a mistake was made, and it was mixing politics and schoolwork. I'm a big fan of social studies and history, in social studies and history classes....

Re: All this over a cheese bread recipe.

[drkbish.livejournal.com]

I'll agree on that point.

[iqtech.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry that some of Ron Paul's supporters are idiots but I hardly see that as a reason to withdraw my support of his candidacy.

Your friend set the level of interaction when he/she labeled Ron Paul supporters "Paultards". Did he/she really expect logical, reasoned debate with comments like that?

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

>Did he/she really expect logical, reasoned debate with comments like that?

Actually no, he didn't. Neither did I.

I also didn't expect them to try and destroy his career.

You wish to support him, that's your prerogative. I'm not here to change political viewpoints. In fact my other alternative was to try and explain to the offended how to use this to make a better run campaign for his Representative seat. But in my view, he's got some BAD company cheering for him (present company excluded).

Paultards

[(Anonymous)]

Since I am one of the Paultards of which this discussion is about, and considering how Makkabee has turned off his anonymous comment posting, I would like to explain why I personally was upset.

I followed the link from the RP forums that someone apparently stumbled across while searching for Ron Paul. I read makkabee's posting and initially thought it no big deal. However being the curious guy that I am I continued reading makkabee's posts. In them I found the following items:

I didn't want any A's I wanted to punish their punk asses. Test me, will they? Well, I can test the little motherfuckers right back! Told the little shits that next time I have to do that I'll add essay questions.

the first went alright except for one kid who kept making monkey noises.

I take great sadistic glee in telling you that every last one of those motherfuckers failed. Nobody got better than 60%. I think only one person in the entire class knew who Frederick Douglass was. Shit, there's a school named after him in town!

And at lunch... oy. I told them "Line up and when we're quiet we'll go." Naturally they couldn't shut their fucking mouths. They screamed, they bitched, they whined about starving to death.

I wanted to point and laugh too, but I was the teacher so instead I had to keep a straight face and tell them to leave him alone. He sat back down and put his head in his hands, his pants pooled around his ankles. Instead of staring pointedly at his crotch and saying "if you want to impress the ladies, this just isn't the way to go about it" I had to go up to him, and as gently as I could tell him to pull his pants back up.

I wanted to be mean and instead I had to be a fucking adult.

Anyway, fuck those kids, most of them can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned and the ones who don't deserve to I don't care about either at this point. I've got a book to finish.

But this shit about rights not extending to students this year or blacks a century and a half ago? The right-wingers just pull that shit out of their asses. They should shove it back up their asses where it can keep their fucking fascist heads company.

Stupid Nazi Bitch
I discovered one of my students is an anti-Semite. I heard her commenting that she didn't "care about the freakin' Jews," and when I asked her for context for that comment she said something more about "stupid Jews." I think I handled the situation with remarkable restraint, which is why I'm posting this from home right now instead of calling my lawyer from jail. Certain things irk me massively, and that's near the top of the list.

There was one additional post about beating a kid to a bloody pulp with a tire iron.

I can easily deal with the opposing views in politics, but I cannot imagine someone with these thoughts teaching children.

Stupid Nazi Bitch, Fuck em, rot in hell? What kind of teacher would find "satanic glee" in the students failing exams? Making monkey noises?

Naturally they couldn't shut their fucking mouths. Are there certain types of people who "naturally" won't shut their fucking mouths?

Would you want makkabee teaching your children? What if you were a disadvantaged minority living in The City of Portsmouth?

I am a "Paultard", I absolutely hate Fascism, which is why I support Dr. Paul, and I live in The City of Portsmouth. Nuff said.

Re: Paultards

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

>In them I found the following items:

[snip]

>Would you want makkabee teaching your children?

The key words in those statements are exactl WHY I would like him to teach my children:

"but I was the teacher so instead I had to keep a straight face and tell them to leave him alone"

"I had to go up to him, and as gently as I could tell him to pull his pants back up."

"I wanted to be mean and instead I had to be a fucking adult."

"I think I handled the situation with remarkable restraint, which is why I'm posting this from home right now instead of calling my lawyer from jail."

In each of these cases, he took the high ground. I know too many teachers who didn't. Mrs. Spreen, my third grade math teacher, who nearly strangled me because I couldn't do my times tables for months on end. Mrs Curie, who was intimidated by my (non mathematical) intelligence and would tell me my right answers were wrong to trip me up. Mrs Wright who made me sit by her desk so she could keep an eye on me because I was Ethnically Mexican, and MExicans couldn't be trusted.

I sure would have liked it better if they'd THOUGHT what they had, instead of DOING the stuff. There are people who shake the babies, and there are people who think about it. If you ask me, I prefer the latter.

>What if you were a disadvantaged minority living in The City of
>Portsmouth?

I lived in Pennsylvania as a Male-to-Female Transgender Mexican in a town full of straight white folks who thought the 1950s were an EXCELLENT time to be alive. That's about as disadvantaged as you can get.

>I am a "Paultard", I absolutely hate Fascism, which is why I support Dr.
>Paul, and I live in The City of Portsmouth. Nuff said.

I'm not going to call you a Paultard. I namecall, sure, but there's no reason for it, here. You're passionate. But I don't think it's worth ruining someone's career for it. Go for the teachers that strangle kids, before going after the ones that think about it, but have the presence of mind and the KINDNESS not to act on it. We all have bad days. We shouldn't be persecuted for it.

Re: Paultards

[makkabee.livejournal.com]

As usual, the Paul supporter tells half the story. I created that quiz because the students refused to do their assigned work and were loud and disrespectful. I tried to talk to them about the subject but had to speak at a bellow to be heard. I gave them plenty of warnings that their behavior was unacceptable, including warnings that if they continued I'd give them a pop quiz. When they continued to act up I gave them a five question quiz and warned them that I'd add more questions if they didn't quiet down. They didn't, so I added more questions, and harder ones. The quiz was punitive, but those students deserved to be punished for their behavior. If you think I deserve to lose my job because I expect students to be polite and learn the subject matter and am willing to punish them in limited ways when they don't then you're working to destroy the public school system and screwing over those children by leaving them unprepared for the real world. Teachers have to be able to maintain their authority, especially substitute teachers who the students are particularly prone to challenge.

Re: Paultards

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I also read multiple instances where makkabee took the higher ground.

This particular post I think tells a larger picture.

"Anyway, fuck those kids, most of them can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned and the ones who don't deserve to I don't care about either at this point. I've got a book to finish."

Just mere thoughts, I agree.

This post:

"I take great sadistic glee in telling you that every last one of those motherfuckers failed. Nobody got better than 60%. I think only one person in the entire class knew who Frederick Douglass was. Shit, there's a school named after him in town!"

Making a quiz intentionally difficult, then taking satanic glee in all the motherfuckers failing? Seems to me to be taking action based upon one's thoughts.

Maybe makkabee has a tendency to believe certain groups of individuals are inferior to him; as in this post: "Naturally they wouldn't shut their fucking mouths" As if born with the natural ability to not shut their fucking mouths.

I don't engage in name calling either. I was using Paultards in the same context as makkabee. Name calling does not affect me. It's just words, and shows a lack of sophistication on the individual engaged in name calling.

Actions that affect others based on one's thoughts are 100% different. Thoughts are not crimes. Actions based on thoughts can be. Intentionally making quizzes difficult and taking "satanic glee" in the fact that "everyone of them motherfuckers failed" seems to me, action taken based upon these thoughts: "fuck those kids, most of them can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned".

I have not attempted to have makkabee fired. I have made no attempt to contact the school administration or his supervisor. All I have done is point out to both you and makkabee, why I was upset. I'm not perfect, and do not expect others to be.

I would like to believe that individuals engaged in the profession of teaching our children, to not pre-judge any individual. I have many wonderful friends of varying backgrounds.

I would especially hope that having a bad day would not in any way result in harm to a child in any manner. Whether it be by administering unfair exams in an attempt to satisfy one's stated satanic urges, or by beating a child to a bloody pulp with a tire iron.

Isn't this reasonable?

As far as makkabees comments taken out of text: They are available all the whole world to see at; http://makkabee.livejournal.com/62863.html?view=178831#t178831

Re: Paultards

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

>Making a quiz intentionally difficult, then taking satanic glee in all the
>motherfuckers failing? Seems to me to be taking action based upon one's
>thoughts.

>Actions that affect others based on one's thoughts are 100% different.
>Thoughts are not crimes. Actions based on thoughts can be. Intentionally
>making quizzes difficult and taking "satanic glee" in the fact
>that "everyone of them motherfuckers failed" seems to me, action taken
>based upon these thoughts: "fuck those kids, most of them can rot in hell
>as far as I'm concerned".

Depends on the background. Was it a hard test based on stuff they SHOULD have known and simply being being ignroant about it? I could see shooting this kind of thing at first or second graders would make some kids choke hard, but if they're fourth graders who should know...well...they should know, and not be getting Fs on it. I knew who Frederick Douglass was in fourth grade - but I'm also a history buff.

>Maybe makkabee has a tendency to believe certain groups of individuals are
>inferior to him; as in this post: "Naturally they wouldn't shut their
>fucking mouths" As if born with the natural ability to not shut their
>fucking mouths.

As someone whose met Makkabee in person, several times, had dinner with him and his friends, debated and served in discussion panels with his and generally enjoy his company - he doesn't come across to me that way. And even in fits of exasperation, I've said stuff like that.

>I have not attempted to have makkabee fired. I have made no attempt to
>contact the school administration or his supervisor. All I have done is
>point out to both you and makkabee, why I was upset. I'm not perfect, and
>do not expect others to be.

Totally understood. And I do appreciate the effort.

>I would like to believe that individuals engaged in the profession of
>teaching our children, to not pre-judge any individual. I have many
>wonderful friends of varying backgrounds.

>I would especially hope that having a bad day would not in any way result
>in harm to a child in any manner. Whether it be by administering unfair
>exams in an attempt to satisfy one's stated satanic urges, or by beating a
>child to a bloody pulp with a tire iron.

>Isn't this reasonable?

Everything else you've posted, sure. I can see your point, and respect it. As you've said - you aren't trying to get him fired. I respect THAT too. And now you've got my point of view, and I've got yours. And while we can go tit-for-tat all day long. I doubt any of us are going to change each others mind. However equating a pop-test (assuming it was at their grade level, and not their intelligence level) and beating a kid to a pulp with a tire iron is a pretty low blow, unreasonable, and more than likely improbable.

Re: Paultards

[makkabee.livejournal.com]

The pop quiz was in a high school class -- an elective class at that, so everyone in there should have been interested in the subject. One I'm rather passionate about, too -- African American History. And once again, it was a punitive action, a response to repeated misbehavior and a response they were warned about. Given similar circumstances I'd do pretty much the same thing.

When children I teach show mastery of their work or exhibit critical thinking skills I praise them. When they have trouble and ask for help I help them -- in fact I've stuck around after my shift is over and gone in on days off without pay to work with kids who ask for help or to do extra programs for them. But when they refuse to do their work, when they disrupt my classroom, when they directly challenge my authority as an instructor, I punish them. That's my job, and I wish that last part of it wasn't necessary -- I'd much rather just teach the material, but on far too many occasions the students won't let me.

The reference to monkey noises was literal -- a student was imitating lower primates to disrupt the class and annoy me whenever my back was turned, to, say, write something about the subject on the blackboard. For an example of the noise I'm talking about, watch the movie "School Ties" and listen to the sounds Brendan Frazer's character makes as the house master leaves after their confrontation over pop music.

Re: Paultards

[makkabee.livejournal.com]

"I can easily deal with the opposing views in politics, but I cannot imagine someone with these thoughts teaching children."

THOUGHT-CRIME! THE LIBERTARIANS WILL CRUSH THOUGHT-CRIME!!

Jesus.

And again, half the story.

A kid looked at a picture of Hassidic Jews in his civics textbook and said "Jews are gay."

My response to that homophobic/antisemitic double whammy was to inform the child that I am Jewish, and tell him that while he has free speech rights under the first amendment it might be wise to excercise some restraint. I then used his comment as a teaching tool, talking a bit about how Jews were expelled from several European countries during the middle ages and contrasting this with the US's policy under the first amendment, though I don't think I blogged about the teaching tool bit. I had a flash of anger faced with that sort of bigotry but took no action beyond a verbal warning. And that merits punishment? There were plenty of antisemitic posts from Paul's cyber-brownshirts on my blog. Is our anonymous poster here another one of those who thinks a Jew is at fault for feeling anger when someone disparages Jews?

[ghostangel.livejournal.com]

*studiously ignores politics* I want to make the cheezy bread with your amount of cheese, it looks AMAZING :O Mmmmm cheeeeeeeze <3

[http://users.livejournal.com/strangelv__/]

*Strangelv is still not recovered enough from the Ron Paul rally at UNT on Monday to pour something sufficiently dousing on this thread

That said, the bread recipe looks interesting. I wonder how well this would work in an oversized toaster oven, not that I've yet attempted to do bread at all with it.