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[dolari]

We’ve all heard the “official conspiracy theory” of the Death Star attack. We all know about Luke Skywalker and his ragtag bunch of rebels, how they mounted a foolhardy attack on the most powerful, well-defended battle station ever built. And we’ve all seen the video over, and over, and over, of the one-in-a-million shot that resulted in a massive chain reaction that not just damaged, but completely obliterated that massive technological wonder.

Like many, I was fed this story when I was growing up. But as I watched the video, I began to realize that all was not as it seemed. And the more I questioned the official story, the deeper into the rabbit hole I went.

A funny page on an neat website.

Seriously, though...there are some serious 9/11 conspiracy buffs in my department. Enough in that I stopped really trying to argue with them about some of the stuff they were telling me. We had people who were saying it was an inside job and gave really good arguments for it, and others who were saying the airplanes were CGIed real-time into everyone's news footage, and were never there to begin with. Ranging from good stuff to downright kooky.

I'm a skeptical person, and I like seeing both sides of the argument before making any decisions on anything. From all the conspiracy theories, and evidence on both sides, I came to a decision really quickly that the felling of the towers was NOT an "inside job" (at least not in a "The towers were a controlled demolition" theory...my money's still on "it was allowed to happen"), but a natural reaction to the extreme stresses put on the buildings.

The evidence on my side was that in highschool drafting class, we studied the building of the World Trade Towers. And I mean really got into how it was constructed and the methods behind some of the engineering decisions, because, at the time, the WTC was unlike any other building made, and was a new class of engineering that had raised the ceiling on how high buildings could be built. I was reading up on tube structures, trestleing, it's skeletal weight distribution before they ever became hot button issues. Not many people know that the WTC design is an amazing feat of engineering (three "buildings" stacked up on each other), with a neat weight distribution design (All on the outside skeletal structure and inside elevator structure), and using the same design, you can make more WTCs, that are even TALLER, as long as you have a larger footprint to place the buildings on.

The problem with the folks here was that they were refusing my evidence as "just the research of a high school kid" in regards to why I thought the buildings fell. Again, a lot of the research (and I'm not saying ALL of the research) they were looking at were highschool and college kids with either faulty knowledge of the how the buildings were constructed, or misinterpreting evidence on the scene, or over-connecting evidence. Granted, not ALL the evidence was from people talking about fields they weren't experts in, but a the same time, neither was evidence I was looking at.

Actually, I began to think for a long time there, what with me listening to Coast to Coast AM, and the occasional Alex Jones show, I might be the only one thinking that this WASN'T an inside job, and really just stopped talking about it. Then a friend pointed me to the Star Wars story up there, which I thought was hilarious, but lead me to http://www.debunking911.com which finally, FINALLY was saying things I'd said about the WTC collapses (those aren't squibs, that's air pressure, WTC 7 collapsed because of a support beam failure, the towers fell straight down because the center tube structure was sill pretty solid and evrything flattened around it).

It's nice to know I'm not alone. Again, I'm looking at their evidence, weighing it with others, thinking about it, and my judgements are pretty much in line with theirs. Not totally, but pretty much in line. It's a good read, even if you're just wanting to convince yourself that the Government has Bought This Website for Disinformation (as a friend told me).

I have to admit, though, I do still have my own somewhat scary off the wall theories. I do believe 9/11 was allowed to happen through inaction, that the evidence for the Pentagon hits being an airplane are VERY shaky, and my own personal belief that the flight that crashed in PA was shot down, and not crashed by people on board. So I guess I still kinda have some kook-cred. :)

I also believe orbs in pictures are dust and drizzle, wispy ghostly images in pictures are cigarette smoke, Roswell was a weather baloon, Count Saint Germaine is alive and well and living in Austin.

Comments

[gwenners.livejournal.com]

the evidence for the Pentagon hits being an airplane are VERY shaky

A close friend of mine watched the plane on approached to the Pentagon. Another acquaintance of mine was amongst the fire crew dispatched to the scene. I don't know the second enough to fully vouch for her, but I will gladly vouch for the honesty of the former. if she told me (and she did) that she saw the plane go over her on its way towards hitting the pentagon, then I'm going to believe her.

Likewise, another friend of mine, an ATC, was working a midwestern ATC center at the time this all went down. She is someone else I would fully trust to know facts.

I think people want to believe conspiracies. Me, I think it's more a situation where this all happened through sheer stupidity. Ignoring warnings, being unprepared, etc. Yes, I'd include your "letting it happen" into that as well.

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

See, that's just it. Before your post, all I'd ever seen were still frames of a video that didn't show anything but smoke and "something silver" and eyewitnesses saying "I heard something that sounded like an airplane" or "I think I saw an airplane." I don't want to sound like I was cherry picking videos (I admit, this has been a "passive hey-what's-this?" search the last six years), but no one that I'd seen from before this post had said "It was an airplane that I saw that smashed into the building." "I heard something" and "I think" are not "I saw."

If she saw it (and I'm not talking about silly things like "tell me the tail numbers on the side of the craft, HA! YOU CAN'T! SO YOU NEVER SAW IT!"), she's already put it more solidly back on the map for me.

Speaking of ATC, one of the folks here believes the ATCs were all fooled, and the Pentagon Flight landed in Chicago, I think, where all the passengers and aircraft were "dissapeared." I don't believe it one whit: one of the problems I have with huge overarching conspiracies over hundreds of independent systems is that they become so complex that I just don't think people are capable of pulling it off perfectly even once.

[gwenners.livejournal.com]

The bigger the "conspiracy," the more liklihood someone will blow it open. All the nation's air traffic controllers were fooled? All the people on the plane were disembarked at one of the business U.S. airports and no one has said anything since then? How many hundreds of people would have to keep their mouths shut?

[kalibex.livejournal.com]

I'd have to agree with that. Seems some prefer their misfortune (however horrific) to be 'deliberate' rather then a variation of 'sh*t happens'. Possibly from within that labeling as a 'deliberate conspiracy' there springs that theoretical possibility that it could have been thwarted...and that future horrors of a similar magnitude might be prevented.

[gwenners.livejournal.com]

Spot on. If it is some shadow conspiracy, then it can be prevented. For it to be somehow uncontrolled (or, at it more seems to be, bungled) means knowing it is just as likely to happen today.

[laura-seabrook.livejournal.com]

The bottom line is that there was a conspiracy surrounding 9/11 - run by Osama bin Laden. 

A lot of the so-called conspiracy ideas are really racist ideas in disguise. The idea is that the people we're told did it couldn't have, because [fill in the blank]. Lots of theories about Atlantis were born from the idea that natives on either side of the Atlantic were too dumb to be able to build pyramids.

Things like the Apollo missions being faked are easy to spot as being silly - if it were a fake then the hundreds of amatuer radio enthusiasts, not to mention the Soviet Union, would been able to spot that the signals didn't come from the moon. 

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

>A lot of the so-called conspiracy ideas are really racist ideas in disguise.

Totally totally totally agreed.

>Things like the Apollo missions being faked are easy to spot as being silly -
>if it were a fake then the hundreds of amatuer radio enthusiasts, not to
>mention the Soviet Union, would been able to spot that the signals didn't come
>from the moon.

Silly person, of COURSE they were faked. The Earth is flat! Didn't you see that great expose', Capricorn 1? ;)