Winding down the personal stuff....

[dolari]

After a long talk with Erin and Lissa, I have to admit, in "That" post, I mispoke. And that misspeakyness has cause a lot of bruised feelings.

I'm not admitting my viewpoint is wrong. But that I mispoke it. Seeing as I've talked to them at length about my viewpoints and they understand me, they pointed out where I got fuzzy.

So here's where I try to fix that:

My viewpoint, the viewpoint I've had about my transness all my life, is that I am a woman. A woman wired into a male body. No matter what I do to that body to make it look more female, in the end, it is a male body does not make you any more of a woman. Having electrolysis kills the beard, but does not make the body any more female you any more of a woman. Taking hormones to rearrange the body fat and grow breasts, does not make it any less male you any more of a woman. The surgery removes the penis and creates a neo-vagina, but does not make your body any less male OR more female you more of a woman.

My point is - I am a woman, I have always been a woman, and while I would love to get surgery, surgery really doens't make me any more of a woman that I already am.

Still the damage has been done. Once the sub surfaces, I can see how bad the damage is.

Comments

[kisai.livejournal.com]

I understood where you were coming from.

The main point that you make, and I made, and a few others made is that the medical procedures don't make it any more female. It may be required to achieve a certain goal, but it doesn't mean that goal has to be on every TS list.

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

::nods:: I understood that you did, and a few others did. Some didn't, but were okay with it. Some didn't, and tookit badly. It's really for them that I reposted this.

[kisai.livejournal.com]

In some parallel universe somewhere, the thread went in the other direction. *wince*

Have you read http://www.onemanga.com/Hourou_Musuko ?

[laura-seabrook.livejournal.com]

Golly - never heard of One Manga before, and will be wasting time scanning the pages there! (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/LauraSeabrook/Avatars/Smileys/?action=view&current=grin.gif)

[enelar.livejournal.com]

I completely understood your point and considered it valid. After all, it's your opinion and what you live believing and you know what? That's fine. Everyone has their own views and you've always had a very consistent view of SRS surgery since I've known you. Some people do need to take that step, some don't and that's just how it is. It's like saying to be gay, you need to wear something rainbow and be out and proud. Some do, some don't. Doesn't make them any less gay. Just different.

I was afraid to comment out of fear of being blasted, I'm not trans. I thought I was for a bit there but that turned out to be me fearing my own female body and unable to accept the negative stereotypes society forces on women, the constant nagging by men that my tomboy nature made me a lesbian and the shoving down my throat that to be a real woman means you want children and are maternal.

Since that experience though, I've learned to read people pretty well as far as gender goes. I consider you a woman. You write like a woman. You talk like a woman. You act like a woman.

And that's what matters, isn't it?

-hides from drama-

[wytwolf.livejournal.com]

I understood your point the first time. I also understand it's a touchy subject, but jeeze. I hate seeing people getting torn a new one because other people won't try and see things from a different perspective. People are way too quick to judge and push their views on others. "My way or the highway." I liked your first post better. Especially because your viewpoint didn't change since then, you're just having to be super sensitive on this post for all the people who can't take it easy.

Everyone is different, everyone has different views, and people need to chill out!

[laura-seabrook.livejournal.com]

My point is - I am a woman, I have always been a woman, and while I would love to get surgery, surgery really doesn't make me any more of a woman that I already am.

So glad to read this, because I think it's a much better attitude to have.

I'm not sure about this

[capplor.livejournal.com]

People can be vastly different, and I've only ever found about 3 universal truths. People tend to dislike getting their name mangled; "You are like me in assets" is a compliment and "I do not value the work you do" is an insult.

Unfortunately, what you are posting, although you didn't mean it to be, STILL can be read as the third option. It might be time to remember the adage, "When you've dug yourself into a hole, STOP DIGGING"

-- Fred's wife (Who really is sorry that you've gotten into that hole)

Re: I'm not sure about this

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

I'd like to think I was shoring up my hole, so I could dig out.

[says-simon.livejournal.com]

I can dig it. I have the same attitude about my body and surgery.

[says-simon.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, I missed the whole affair. Haven't been keeping up lately and just reading the highlights. I was riveted while Emily was in the hospital. Then it was something about having an opinion on trans stuff, that's where I left off. Trans people get offended too easily. We all need to chill the fuck out.

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

(Oops, replied to the wrong post)

[says-simon.livejournal.com]

I'm kinda sad now :-( Don't let my icon fool you.

[audaciousd.livejournal.com]

It surely is an awesome icon. XD

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

I fully expect you to yoink it.

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

Why sad?

[says-simon.livejournal.com]

Because you weren't talking to me, you meant to comment on someone else. So sad.

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

Sorry....but for what it's worth - I agree with you. Some of us need to chill.

"body" issues

[(Anonymous)]

I think the difficulty lies in the definition of "man" and "woman".
To some people, "man" means "male body, y chromosome", while to others, it means "male personality, 'spirit', if you will".
The same goes for women.
To some people, "woman" means "female body, x chromosome (or appearance thereof)", while to others, it means "female personality, spirit, &c.".
When I read your post, I understood what you meant by it - you are a woman, and however your body is won't change that.

I don't think you misspoke. You said what you feel, and that was misunderstood.