I couldn't ask you to have a better cervix.

[dolari]

You wanna know why Voyager sucked? And why Enterprise is having a huge struggle to gain an audience?

Deep Space Nine.

I've been watching reruns on DS9 on Spike TV. And it's AMAZING how even it's bad episodes are a HUGE cut above anything seen since.

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[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

Voyager was so bad that I stopped watching the show. I simply couldn't handle how badly it was plotted, the Reset Button every week, and how Nothing Ever Went Wrong and Harry remained an ensign for seven years.

Enterprise had a neat idea, and neat premise and a neat pilot (like Voyager). And I actually think that it's a very good series (even BEFORE they re-wrote the premise and went after the Xindi). I just wish they didn't shoehorn Horny Vulcans into show at every available opportunity.

But DS9. It's just straight up a classic. :)

[karl-moebius.livejournal.com]

Actually, there's a semi-cogent reason why Harry never advanced in grade (probably unknown and completely coincidental to why the writers didn't promote him). In the US Marines, advancement in the first few grades is pretty automatic, you just don't have to mess up, and stay "in grade" for 6-9 months. This also assumes that after 9-12 months, after your tour is up, you move on to something else, where they need someone with your new shiny rank.

On Voyager, that became problematic, since they were there for the long haul, and to preserve the command structure, if someone advanced, everyone would have to advance (eventually) -- and while US Navy captains have the authority to promote someone in grade to replace combat losses, or for special gallantry, it's technically a "temporary thing" (you get the rank, but not the pay, if I remember correctly), and must be approved by BuPers (Bureau of Personnel) for the person to officially hold the rank. These requests are usually rubber-stamped quickly, however, and look good on the person's record.

Now when Voyager got back, just about everyone would probably be summarily promoted to the rank to which they earned, and then run through the Academy to teach Lessons Learned to the new students, before recycling back into the Fleet.

Beyond that, Voyager seemed to be the ship of "C" students, honestly. While the Enterprise got Data, and La Forge, (and the rest of the cast) and all these really talented personnel (and seemingly all the valedictorians of Starfleet Academy), Voyager seemed to be made of the people that would handily be the "red shirts" or background people of any of the other Star Treks. And the show just seemed to stumble across the story arcs, with little apparent rhyme or reason, and quickly degenerated into the most simplistic, formulaic writing I've ever seen, and it went on and on and on!

After a season or two, I began to cheer for the alien-flavor-of-the-week to succeed in destroying Voyager, and ending the series before it could get "worse" (in other words "to put it out of it's misery") and that's about the time I stopped watching, but I've heard from a friend that it picked up with the introduction of the Borg, and the TimeShip but I never watched that long, so I cannot say for certain.

Of course, my viewpoint is rather tainted; I began to watch Babylon 5 around that time, and quickly fell in love with it, and hoped some of it would "rub-off" on Voyager.

[jenndolari.livejournal.com]

C Students. :) One of the things I used to say was Voyager was the B-Ark of the Federation, sent out to the Badlands to get rid of them. :)

You didn't miss much once the Borg were introduced...I heard the emasculated them (one lowly Federation ship destroying cubes left and right). Year of Hell was a good episode, and one I only saw because I heard it was the original Season 3 cliffhanger (instead of Scorpion).

Now B5...THAT ws a gripping piece of literature. :) I loved that show to death.