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Something kinda funny before bed. I was friended the other day (and friended back) an artist/writer on my friends list. So i'm reading his entries along with everyone else and suddenly see the "Antarctic Press" with a link to the AP forums.

Not many people know that in another time and another place, I had a history with AP. :)

So I figure, he's just an AP fan, which is cool by me. Then I keep reading...and I find his profile on the AP forums. The guy writes Ninja High School, which is APs flagship title. And that's when I become SERIOUSLY glad that (1) I've transitioned over to being a girl (2) my online name is NOTHING like my old name and (3) people mellow with age (well, I mellowed with age, I can only hope everyone esle did).

Cause if this guy found my old name, and if he mentioned back to Ben or Doug or anyone who was at AP in the late 80s, early 90s, I'd get a knock on my door quickly followed with a punch to my face. :)

Back in the late 80s, I was a teenager with aspirations for stardom, and was pretty obnoxious (although we never know it at the time), and DAMMIT I was a KICK ASS artist and writer. Looking back a good 15 years, I was a kick ass WRITER. My art sucked. Still does, although not nearly as much as it did back then.

Living in San Antonio, going to the C/FO meetings, I met Ben Dunn and the AP crew, and tried to make an in with the company. Again, though 15 year old goggles, I was way in over my head, and was really obnoxious about wanting to get into comics and the like. When I was rejected (do you see AWFW or CS now? Imagine that a million times worse and trying to SELL it as a monthly comic), I took it a bit personally, and got all passive aggressive about it.

I said a few inappropriate things here and there I shouldn't have, pissed off a buncha people and general made myself unwelcome. I worked at the AP Comic Store till 1992, and a few years and comic-adventures-later, I got out of comics alltogether although I never really got INTO comics), till 2001, when I started AWFW.

I did see Ben a few years ago at a Chinese Buffet (I had to go male, because I was living with my parents through the 2001 layoffs), and he was really nice and cordial. Still, considering how I acted in the 80s/90s, I didn't want to push it by saying "Yeah, sorry about all those things I said about AP and NHS and whatnot." I really am sorry about it now, cause now I see I really was a Big Jerk.

Anyways, Hi, Robby! Say hi to everyone for me, and when they say "Who the hell is Jenn Dolari?" just give them a little nod and a wink maybe even a "You were right." But for god's sake DON'T MENTION THE MAYONNAISE INCIDENT. We were young, and unprepared for such things....

Huh, somehow I missed my 2000th journal entry. :) We're at 2004.

BED NOW!

Date: 2005-02-03 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robby-bevard.livejournal.com
Heh. I've been working at AP since late 99. Its a very different company than it used to be, almost none of the old people are actually here anymore. Ben lives in Dallas. Doug is still here. And memories are pretty short, I'm sure there's no grudge against, uh... whoever you used to be. (I'm still unclear on the whole "previous identity" thing... What's the deal with that?)

And be glad you don't work here, they are slave drivers! I've been working the last three weeks solid on How to Tone Manga (a 144 page book from SCRATCH! In three weeks!) while toning three other books and I'm still barely getting paid for it! Working in comics sucks! But its also the greatest job there is at the same time... Go fig.

As incidentals- How'd you figure out I write Ninja High School? You'd actually have to look thru the site a bit to figure that out. I think. Names aren't overly prominent on the site unless its Fred Perry or Ben Dunn...

-I friended you due to reading your posts via Jonathan (tsubasa_kurenai) cause your ramblings seemed pretty amusing and fun. Say hi if you see him at the anime meetings.

-The Mayonaise incident? Do I want to know?

I was never here...

Date: 2005-02-03 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsubasa-kurenai.livejournal.com
Actually I don't know Jenn Dolari through the Austin Anime club. I just know her online, despite sharing a city. Just thought I'd throw that out, please continue with your serindipidous conversation.

Re: I was never here...

Date: 2005-02-04 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robby-bevard.livejournal.com
Silly me, assuming the person I know because you know, you knew thru actually knowing and assumed I knew due toan overlap of knowing the same location and thusly...

I shouldn't write when I've been up for 30 hours.

Re: I was never here...

Date: 2005-02-04 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenndolari.livejournal.com
::wierd sounds:: We are all Kosh ::wierd sounds::

Re: I was never here...

Date: 2005-02-04 06:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenndolari.livejournal.com
Austin Anime Club, eh? ::strums fingers::

Re: I was never here...

Date: 2005-02-04 07:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsubasa-kurenai.livejournal.com
Well the threads getting kinda crowded but since it came up I guess I should post the link to the Anime Club at the University of Texas at Austin:

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~anime/

They always love it when new people come :)

Re: I was never here...

Date: 2005-02-04 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenndolari.livejournal.com
Mrf, I'm at work when you guys meet up. Dammit, my work gets in the way of everything.

Date: 2005-02-04 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenndolari.livejournal.com
>I'm still unclear on the whole "previous identity" thing... What's the
>deal with that?

I'm in the middle of a sex change. :) Started living as a woman in 1997, haven't looked back since (well, not very often, and only when I look at my bank statements).

>And be glad you don't work here, they are slave drivers!

Ah, so nothing has changed! ;)

>Working in comics sucks! But its also the greatest job there is at the
>same time... Go fig.

Yeah, I was talking with a fellow webcomic artist last night about how we make zero off these free comics...but we wouldn't give it up for the world. PEOPLE READ OUR STUFF AND LIKE IT! That's such a nice feeling....

>As incidentals- How'd you figure out I write Ninja High School? You'd
>actually have to look thru the site a bit to figure that out.

A little bit of homework, and curiosity.... When I saw you had an icon for the AP Forums, I went there, and saw all your posts. In one, you mentioned working on NHS. I was like "That's still around?" and ran off to the Titles section of the website. There ya were: Story be Ben Dunn, Plots by Robby Bevard. That's when I said "HOLY COW, THEY'VE FOUND ME!"

-The Mayonaise incident? Do I want to know?

If I told you, I'd have to kill you. Either way, you'd definately wanna wash your brain out with Lysol. ;)

Date: 2005-02-04 04:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amw.livejournal.com
Have you read Josh Richardson's column about working as a flatter at Image? It's way cool :) http://www.millarworld.net/index.php?showtopic=43278

Date: 2005-02-04 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robby-bevard.livejournal.com
Oooh, ooh, I have! I'm amused because the poor guy thinks he's doing something exciting. Flats are about the easiest but most tedious part about comic booking at this point in time. I'm even more amused by what he considers a "complicated, hard panel" when its something I could flat in about three minutes... I'm probably gonna be flatting an entire 22 page Spiderman book on Sunday, so his situation amuses me...

Ah,all my time in the industry has either made me major fast skilled... or bitter. I'm not sure which...

Date: 2005-02-04 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenndolari.livejournal.com
It's funny, I had no idea I was doing this. I just figured I was saving myself time. :)

I recently came into some old 1990s support group strips I drew, which are in B&W and pretty heavy on the crosshatching. Normal floodfills just aren't going to cut it here, so I did all the color on a seperate layer.

No idea it was called Flatting. I just thought it was "saving a hell of a lot of time with the fill tool." :)

Date: 2005-02-04 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amw.livejournal.com
It's a cool column for me because i didn't even know there was anyone involved in the step between inking and coloring. I think they should list the slaving peons in credits box!

Date: 2005-02-04 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amw.livejournal.com
I think what's so great about the column is the guy's enthusiasm. Regarding flatting, a guy on the Liefeld thread at that forum posted a large scan of his pencils as an example of pre-colored work. I downloaded it and fired up GIMP and attempted a bit of flatting and digital inkage and man oh fuckin man. Selecting out each line, some lighter gray, some darker gray, changing layers... I spent about half an hour, did about one square inch of the picture, then decided i'm probably not cut out to do this. So i bow to your elite flatting skilz ;-)

Date: 2005-02-05 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robby-bevard.livejournal.com
Actually you don't select the line art at all. Flatting is done in a seperate channel, you just color under the lineart basically, it doesn't get in the way at all. ANd digital inking is a myth. Its a term someone came up with to sound impressive. Actually, you just take tight pencils and threshold the image careful, no tracing or inking involved. It's "digital", yes, "inking" no.

Date: 2005-02-05 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenndolari.livejournal.com
O_O

You just saved me a days work on my webcomics. Although, to be honest, I tried this and ended up with a scribbly nasty mess....

Date: 2005-02-05 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amw.livejournal.com
No way! I gotta go back try that again. I was just scared of coloring over the edge of the lines.

I guess "digital inking" is just a bit of a filler term people can use to label the process without having to get into the details. I have a feeling it won't be long till inking as a trade by itself bites the dust. Actually the discussion that led to me downloading that pic was about "digital inking". Rob is a pretty big proponent of it but it seems a lot of fans really miss the finishing. To be honest i don't really notice the difference as a quality thing, i just see it as a different style - it's all good yanno. Anywho so people were going on about how "digital inking" was a quick and dirty solution, that a monkey could do it... So off i went with this picture and, well, as a graphics amateur i couldn't get it right after adjusting levels and things. End result i don't have any less respect for the artists who go digital because it's still not easy, you've just got a bunch of new problems i guess. So yeah. I don't know what my point was.

Date: 2005-02-05 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenndolari.livejournal.com
Want I shoudl send you a couple of AWFW or CS pencils to play with? Most of my stuff was inked on a tablet, so I have the raw pencils sitting in my Big Box o' Paper.

Date: 2005-02-06 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amw.livejournal.com
It's all good :) I'm quite content to not be particularly artistic, i'll make up for it some day in music or writing or... something. :)

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